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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Wednesday Nov 16, 2022
Wednesday Nov 16, 2022
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass.
In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny dig into the Liturgy of the Word, the section of the Mass that focuses on Sacred Scripture. They look at the role of the Bible in Catholic worship, and compare it to the role that Scripture played in the worship services from their days as Evangelical Protestants.
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Wednesday Nov 09, 2022
Wednesday Nov 09, 2022
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they first went to Mass.
In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny look at the Introductory Rites that take up the opening few minutes of the Mass, and discuss how they set the stage for the way that the liturgy will unfold.
They also look at the role of Scripture in this part of the Mass, and how Catholic worship today connects back to the worship of the first Christians.
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Wednesday Nov 02, 2022
Wednesday Nov 02, 2022
All Christians talk about worship, but not all understand it in the same way. What is our goal in gathering together regularly as a community of believers? What should we be doing when we're together? How does God ask us to worship Him, and how did the earliest Christians seek to honor Him when they gathered?
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard start a new series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they first went to Mass, and discuss the questions each of them began to ask about what true Christian worship should look like.
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Wednesday Oct 19, 2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 108: Are Protestants Christians?
Wednesday Oct 19, 2022
Wednesday Oct 19, 2022
It's not uncommon for some Protestants to wonder if Catholics are actually Christians. But for Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard, who came from Protestant backgrounds and became Catholic, what did it look like to them to have that question reversed? Are Protestants, in their multitudinous variety of theological expressions and Scriptural interpretations, actually Christians?
Matt, Ken and Kenny share their own stories from the Wesleyan, Baptist and Pentecostal traditions, and unpack not only their own experiences, but also formal Catholic teaching on how to understand those who believe in Jesus but are not formally connected to the apostolic deposit of faith.
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Wednesday Oct 12, 2022
Wednesday Oct 12, 2022
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard conclude their series on what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace Catholic teaching about her.
In this episode, they address some of the common objections non-Catholics have about Mary: the Rosary as "vain repetition," Mary as Mediatrix, apparitions of Our Lady, Marian consecration, and more. Matt, Ken and Kenny share their own experience of wrestling with these questions on their way into the Catholic Church.
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Wednesday Oct 05, 2022
Wednesday Oct 05, 2022
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue to discuss what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace Catholic teaching about her.
Beyond the dogmas, there is the question of Marian devotion, and especially the idea of asking her intercession. To answer that, Matt and Ken and Kenny drill down on the concept of the Communion of Saints, and how Mary's unique role among the saints makes her a treasured advocate in heaven.
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Wednesday Sep 07, 2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 105: Mary’s Assumption and Queenship
Wednesday Sep 07, 2022
Wednesday Sep 07, 2022
Matt, Ken, and Kenny wrap up their series on the Marian dogmas, discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace the Catholic teaching about her.
What is the Biblical precedent for being assumed into heaven? How were queens treated in the Davidic Kingdom? And what does all that have to do with Mary?
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Wednesday Aug 31, 2022
Wednesday Aug 31, 2022
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series on the Marian dogmas, discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace the Catholic teaching about her.
In their last two episodes, they began to discuss the Immaculate Conception of Mary, looking at the biblical themes of Mary as the New Eve and Ark of the New Covenant.
This week, they address the question: If this teaching is true, why did the Catholic Church wait until 1854 to define it as true?
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Wednesday Aug 24, 2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 103: Mary, Ark of the New Covenant
Wednesday Aug 24, 2022
Wednesday Aug 24, 2022
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series on the Marian dogmas, discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace the Catholic teaching about her.
In their last episode, they began to discuss the Immaculate Conception of Mary, looking at Mary as the New Eve, the fulfillment of God’s original created intentions for woman.
This week, they look at another theme in biblical typology: Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant. What is the evidence from Scripture that Catholics are correct in viewing Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant? What did the early Christians seem to make of this?
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Wednesday Aug 17, 2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 102: Mary, the New Eve
Wednesday Aug 17, 2022
Wednesday Aug 17, 2022
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their multi-part series discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to believe Catholic teaching about her.
Kenny, Ken, and Matt discuss the third Marian dogma, the Immaculate Conception of Mary. Rooted in the biblical story, Mary is presented in the New Testament as “Woman, par excellence” — the fulfillment of God’s original created intentions for woman. The biblical mega-theme of Woman is traced through Genesis, seen in the biblical types of the Old Testament, and ultimately fulfilled in Mary, the New Eve.
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