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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Wednesday Dec 13, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 138: What is the Church? Part XI
Wednesday Dec 13, 2023
Wednesday Dec 13, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
The Catholic Church has four marks: it is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.
As they dig even deeper into the meaning of the word "catholic," Matt, Ken, and Kenny look at what the Catechism has to say about other forms of Christianity, and even other religions.
As former Evangelical Protestants who became Catholic, Matt, Ken, and Kenny share how this aspect of Church teaching informs their conversations with non-Catholics who express interest in the Church.
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Wednesday Dec 06, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 137: What is the Church? Part X
Wednesday Dec 06, 2023
Wednesday Dec 06, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
In the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, we profess that the Church is "catholic," but what do we mean by that?
Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard share how they used to think about the word "catholic" before they themselves ended up becoming Catholics.
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Wednesday Nov 29, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 136: What is the Church? Part IX
Wednesday Nov 29, 2023
Wednesday Nov 29, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
In both Scripture and the writings of early Christianity, the Church is repeatedly referred to as "holy." How are we to understand that, if we know that it has been full of sinners from the beginning?
Matt, Ken and Kenny look at the ways the word "holy" is used in the Bible, and how it has been used as a descriptor for the Church ever since.
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Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 135: What is the Church? Part VIII
Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
Wednesday Nov 08, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
In the Nicene Creed, Christians profess that they believe the Church to be "one."
What does that mean? How did Ken and Kenny think about the idea of Christian unity when they were Evangelical pastors? And what are the obstacles to believers being "one" in Christ?
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Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 134 - What is the Church? Part VII
Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
Wednesday Nov 01, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
“What the soul is to the human body, the Holy Spirit is to the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” - St. Augustine
How would Ken and Kenny have reacted to a statement like that when they were serving as pastors of Protestant congregations?
And how does the Holy Spirit serve not only as a teacher and guide, but also a principle of unity and animating force in the life of the Church?
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Wednesday Oct 18, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 133: What is the Church? Part VI
Wednesday Oct 18, 2023
Wednesday Oct 18, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
This time around, they focus on Scriptural imagery of the Church as the body of Christ, as well as the bride of Christ.
As former Protestant pastors, how did Ken and Kenny think of those images?
And what does the Catechism of the Catholic Church have to say about the Church as Christ's body, as well as His bride?
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Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 132 – What is the Church? Part V
Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
Wednesday Oct 04, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
When they were Evangelical pastors, how much did Ken and Kenny think about the Church as a continuation of the covenants God had made with his people throughout salvation history? Focusing on Catechism paragraphs 781-786, they share which Catholic teachings about the nature of the Church they would have affirmed wholeheartedly as Protestant ministers, and which aspects of those teachings were new to them once they began exploring Catholicism.
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Wednesday Sep 27, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 131 – What is the Church? Part IV
Wednesday Sep 27, 2023
Wednesday Sep 27, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
The Catholic Catechism talks about the Church as being both earthly and heavenly, visible and invisible, hierarchical and mystical. In short, she is a "mystery" -- but what does the Church mean by that word?
Matt, Ken and Kenny look at how they thought about the mystery of the Church when they were Evangelicals, and how they think about those ideas now as Catholics.
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Wednesday Sep 20, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 130 – What is the Church? Part III
Wednesday Sep 20, 2023
Wednesday Sep 20, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
In this episode, they walk through the Catechism’s section on the Church’s Origin, Foundation and Mission. Here we see the Church born of the eternal plan of God, developed in the Old Covenant people of God, instituted by our Lord Jesus in the New Covenant, revealed by the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, and finally perfected in glory.
We learn that Jesus didn’t simply call disciples to follow him; he founded a Church.
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Wednesday Sep 13, 2023
On the Journey, Episode 129 – What is the Church? Part II
Wednesday Sep 13, 2023
Wednesday Sep 13, 2023
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church.
In this episode, they begin to examine the Catechism’s treatment of Article 9 of the Apostle’s Creed, “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church,” focusing on the Church’s inner nature.
What is communicated by saying that the Church is the called out assembly of the Lord, the sheepfold of Christ, the vine of His planting, a temple for God’s dwelling? Is there anything here that Matt, Ken and Kenny would not have said they believed before they ever thought of becoming Catholic?
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