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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Jan 29, 2025
Jan 29, 2025
1hr 11 min
Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.
If the Bible Alone is the sole source of authority for Christian faith and practice under sola Scriptura, then why are so many Christians who hold to sola Scriptura divided against one another over what the Bible means?
Matt, Ken, and Kenny talk about the implications intrinsic to sola Scriptura that ultimately make it unworkable on its own as a foundation for Christian authority.
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Jan 22, 2025
Jan 22, 2025
1hr 4 min
Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series looking at how they began to rethink their commitment to the Bible alone as the sole and sufficient rule for faith and practice.
One of the key effects of the Reformation was that the right of private judgment -- which had always been allowed in a limited way by the Catholic Church-- was expanded by Luther and others to become a universal right, immediately leading to discord and division even among Luther and his earliest followers.
Matt, Ken and Kenny argue that this is one of the main reasons that the Reformation doctrine of sola Scriptura simply does not -- and cannot -- work.
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Jan 15, 2025
Jan 15, 2025
1hr 10 min
When Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard were Protestant pastors, they believed and taught what many Christians profess: the doctrine of sola Scriptura, which holds that the Bible alone is the sole and sufficient rule of faith.
Along with fellow Catholic convert Matt Swaim, they begin a series unpacking the basic conditions and consequences of sola Scriptura, and share the ways that each of them began to question its workability, its historicity, and whether or not it was even a biblically sound doctrine.
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Nov 13, 2024
Nov 13, 2024
59 min
If you've only ever been to Protestant church services, what should you know before you visit a Catholic Mass?
Ken Hensley was a Baptist pastor, Kenny Burchard was a Foursquare pastor, and Matt Swaim came from the Wesleyan Holiness movement. Now that all three of them are Catholic, they share some of the things they wish people had explained to them before they went to Catholic Mass for the first time.
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Nov 6, 2024
Nov 6, 2024
59 min
Ken Hensley was a Baptist pastor, Kenny Burchard was a Foursquare pastor, and Matt Swaim came from the Wesleyan tradition. They all ended up in the Catholic Church.
But what if they hadn't?
Matt, Ken and Kenny reflect on some of the radical ways their lives have changed since becoming Catholic, and how things might be different if they hadn't entered the Church.
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Sep 4, 2024
Sep 4, 2024
1hr 18 min
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard conclude their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation.
Ken, a former Baptist pastor, Kenny, a former Pentecostal pastor, and Matt, who comes from a Wesleyan background, each take a principle from "Dei Verbum," and show how it has enriched and expanded their understanding of what the Bible is and how God speaks through it, now that they view the Scriptures through Catholic eyes.
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Aug 28, 2024
Aug 28, 2024
57 min
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation.
They continue their discussion of how God's Word should infuse, inform, and inspire God's people, not only through the formal liturgy of the Church, but also through private study and devotion.
Matt, Ken, and Kenny look at how official Catholic teaching puts to rest the oft-repeated myth that the Church doesn't want Her members to understand the Bible.
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Aug 21, 2024
Aug 21, 2024
1hr 11 min
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation.
Given everything that the Catholic Church teaches about the importance of Scripture, how should it function in the lives of Christians, both corporately and individually?
Matt, Ken, and Kenny look at what Vatican II says about the role of Scripture in the life of the Church, and compare it to the way Scripture functioned in the Evangelical contexts they themselves came from.
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Aug 14, 2024
Aug 14, 2024
1hr 8 min
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation.
How should Christians understand the New Testament in the light of the entirety of God's revelation to humanity? What does Jesus tell us about what God's plan has been from the beginning?
Matt, Ken, and Kenny discuss how they approached these questions before they became Catholic, and especially how Ken and Kenny thought about and preached on the New Testament when they were Protestant pastors.
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Aug 7, 2024
Aug 7, 2024
1hr 18 min
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation.
What purpose does the Old Testament serve to Christians, who follow Jesus as the fulfillment of the law? And how does the narrative of salvation history illustrate that the incarnation has been foreshadowed from the beginning? Watch the episode.
Matt, Ken, and Kenny share how they understood the Old Testament when they were Evangelical Protestants, and what they found when they began to look at what the Catholic Church teaches about it.
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