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Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Wednesday Aug 07, 2024
On the Journey, Episode 152: Jesus in the Old Testament - Dei Verbum, Part V
Wednesday Aug 07, 2024
Wednesday Aug 07, 2024
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council’s document on Divine Revelation.
What purpose does the Old Testament serve to Christians, who follow Jesus as the fulfillment of the law? And how does the narrative of salvation history illustrate that the incarnation has been foreshadowed from the beginning? Watch the episode.
Matt, Ken, and Kenny share how they understood the Old Testament when they were Evangelical Protestants, and what they found when they began to look at what the Catholic Church teaches about it.
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Wednesday Jul 31, 2024
On the Journey, Episode 151: How Catholics Interpret Scripture - Dei Verbum, Part IV
Wednesday Jul 31, 2024
Wednesday Jul 31, 2024
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on "Dei Verbum," the Second Vatican Council's document on Divine Revelation.
Who has the authority to interpret the Bible? What safeguards exist to make sure that Christians of today believe the same things about Scripture that the early Christians believed? What criteria should Christians use when approaching God's Word and understanding its meaning? And where is the Holy Spirit in all of this?
Matt, Ken, and Kenny share what they believed about these questions when they were Evangelical Protestants, and how they reacted when they learned how the Catholic Church approaches them.
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Wednesday Jul 24, 2024
On the Journey, Episode 150: How God Reveals His Word - Dei Verbum, Part III
Wednesday Jul 24, 2024
Wednesday Jul 24, 2024
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council's document on Divine Revelation.
How does God reveal his Word to humanity? How did the Holy Spirit and the human authors of Scripture collaborate to transmit the message of salvation? By what means has this revelation been preserved and handed down?
And how does the Catholic understanding of all of this compare to the Protestant worldviews that Matt, Ken and Kenny were formed in?
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Wednesday Jul 17, 2024
On the Journey, Episode 149: The Word Before the Words - Dei Verbum, Part II
Wednesday Jul 17, 2024
Wednesday Jul 17, 2024
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council's document on Divine Revelation.
What does it mean to say that Jesus is the Word of God made flesh? And how does that inform the way that Catholics approach the reading and proclamation of Sacred Scripture?
Matt, Ken, and Kenny discuss the similarities and differences between this approach and the way they themselves thought about the Word of God as Evangelical Protestants.
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Thursday Jul 11, 2024
On the Journey, Episode 148: What is Divine Revelation? Dei Verbum, Part I
Thursday Jul 11, 2024
Thursday Jul 11, 2024
Many are familiar with the fact that the Catholic Church does not hold to the Reformation doctrine of "sola Scriptura."
But what *does* the Catholic Church teach about God's Word?
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard begin a new series unpacking "Dei Verbum," the Catholic Church's official document on Divine Revelation from the Second Vatican Council. They begin by looking at the historical climate leading up to the council in the early 1960's, and how that provided a new opportunity for the Church to re-articulate its understanding of how God speaks to His people.
As former Evangelical pastors, Ken and Kenny share how reflecting on this period in Catholic history has helped them to better appreciate what the Church has to say about the Bible and the nature of divine revelation.
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Tuesday May 14, 2024
Tuesday May 14, 2024
Kenny Burchard joins Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley to share the story of how he finally ended up becoming Catholic.
Having left Pentecostal ministry, Kenny ended up looking at a few possible church environments that he thought he and his family might be able to call home.
But at the end of all of it, he found that God was calling them to the last place he ever expected: the Catholic Church.
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Wednesday May 08, 2024
On the Journey, Episode 146: Leaving the Ministry - Kenny's Story, Part VI
Wednesday May 08, 2024
Wednesday May 08, 2024
Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith.
Kenny shares the series of experiences and the process of discernment that led him to step away from ministry as a pastor in the Foursquare Church.
He discusses three watershed moments that led him to believe that whatever God had in store for him, it was somewhere besides a Pentecostal pulpit.
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Wednesday May 01, 2024
On the Journey, Episode 145: All That Scandal - Kenny's Story, Part V
Wednesday May 01, 2024
Wednesday May 01, 2024
Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith.
When Kenny, who had been a Pentecostal pastor, told some friends he was considering becoming Catholic, he was asked why he'd want to join a church that had gone through so many scandals.
For Kenny, this was a question that hit close to home, because every Christian group he'd ever been involved with had gone through scandal after scandal, and split after split. And given his experience of those heartbreaking realities, especially as a former Protestant pastor, it was something he had certainly thought about when considering the Catholic Church.
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Wednesday Apr 24, 2024
On the Journey, Episode 144: Which Christianity? – Kenny’s Story, Part IV
Wednesday Apr 24, 2024
Wednesday Apr 24, 2024
Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith.
As Kenny discovered more and more divisions among Christians, he became increasingly unsettled by them. He and his wife got into ministry together in the Pentecostal world, but their experience of everything from Christian radio to Christian bookstores and more overloaded them -- was it even possible to know which take on Christianity was the correct one? Could there ever truly be Christian unity?
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Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
On the Journey, Episode 143: What Kind of Christian Am I? – Kenny’s Story, Part III
Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
Wednesday Apr 17, 2024
Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith.
As Kenny tried to find his way in his new life as a Christian, the question of where he fit among fellow believers became front and center.
He started to realize that there were lots of different interpretations of Scripture, and lots of different potential voices to follow.
He began to wonder: with all the options out there, what kind of Christian was he?
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